A U.S. Navy F-22? Don’t Hold Your Breath

23.02.09

Categorie: Air, Naval |

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You gotta love Air Power Australia. The pro-F-22 think-tank has championed a lot of perfectly-sound but politically-impossible ideas. First, they said the U.S. Air Force needs 600 F-22 Raptors, instead of the 250 it’s likely to get. Then the think-tank proposed that the U.S. Marine Corps buy F-22s. Now they’re saying the Navy needs a Raptor variant, with heavy modifications to fly off carrier decks. For only a navalized F-22 is “capable of keeping the fleet alive in the face of modern Russian-designed supersonic sea skimming weapons, which have proliferated on a global scale.”

APA optimistically pins the price of their F/A-22N at just $150 million per copy. In fact, it would be much, much higher, given the state of our aerospace procurement apparatus. But even at $150 million, a single naval Raptor would cost three times what a factory-fresh F/A-18F costs. Where’s that extra cash going to come from?

Now let’s imagine the Navy magically did come up with a few billion extra bucks to buy airplanes. Given that, it’s not a naval Raptor we really need, but a new plane to fill a huge capability gap left by the retirement of the S-3 Viking. The Viking had what no current, armed, carrier-based Navy aircraft has: long legs, long loiter time, lots of internal space and the ability to do all those dirty, boring jobs that don’t make for good action movies or PC flight simulators, but help win wars.

(Art: APA)

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9 Responses to “A U.S. Navy F-22? Don’t Hold Your Breath”

  1. Galrahn says:

    F-22 for ASW!
    F-22 for MIW!
    F-22 for Air Force One!

    These are no doubt future articles from APA.

  2. Andrae says:

    I note however that APA aren’t comparing the FA-22N to the FA-18F, but rather the F-35C. There they make the reasonable point that a naval version of the F-22 carries less risk, more capability and the same price as the naval variant of the F-35.

    I just thought it fair to note that APA believe the navy requires a 5th Gen fighter, and that this renders the FA-18F unsuitable.

    I think your first sentence says it all:

    “The pro-F-22 think-tank has championed a lot of perfectly-sound but politically-impossible ideas.”

    ie. “Sure they’re right, but there’s no way congress will go for it.”

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  4. FooMan says:

    Ah yes the Navy’s new and amazing sports car dump truck philosophy (one plane can do everything). If they could figure out how to make a hornet hover they would have it doing ASW and VERTREP duty! For a lightweight, shortrange, strike/fighter it does everything! None of them particularly great, payload, range, internal volume, pure ability to get off the deck with load(s) all are inferior to the aircraft they are ‘replacing’ (there is a reason an EA-6B has three seats for the EWO’s) and let’s see how many people and how much money we can spend to fly two airframes (plus tankers, SEAD, escorts X 2 each since hornets have such notoriously short legs) to get the same amount of bombs as an iron tadpole can get on the target. Yes they were/are at the end of their airframe lives but why did we REFUSE to get rid of the flying Dorito and build something can haul iron and jam the bad guys? We get rid of the Hoover and not fund a replacement? We get rid of the KA-6 and replace it with an aircraft that needs it’s own tankers? We use the Queer until the airframes go away (and let the Air Farce use them since they got rid of their jammers) and replace it with what? Oh yeah another hornet variant? While a deck with over 50 Hornets per airgroup looks sexy, (oh yeah don’t look at the poor Marine F/A-18′s [watch PBS carrier and see what the maintainers think of them] that comprise at least one squadron in every CAW right now) The bad guys certainly know that if you wait half an hour the hornet will run out of gas and go home!

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  7. Josef says:

    Comment by Galrahn 02.23.09 @ 11:41 am

    Well, F-22 as Air Force One would be cheaper than the current version. But the campaign advertisement would set new records…

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  9. just built a naval F-22N for the navy, an uprated F-119 engine with advance APG-77v4 radar similar to F-22A block 35 increment 3.3 software version try use most advance strongest, lightest composite materials that withstand a temperature of 2,000 degrees centigrade its a matter of will to do it F-35 is a lemon For CAS use F-35B

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